Looping part of a multitrack song for playing with the audience

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  • #29108
    ChristophChristoph
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    We are planing to use a utrack24 for the playback of backing tracks, click track, and midi timecode (for lightning control). During live performance, we want to play with the audience, while we repeat a part of the song or the drummer just continues playing the kick. So it is necessary, that our drummer receives the click track uninterrupted. I didn’t find any solution so far.
    My perfect solution would be: Define a loop sections with in and out markers which can be stored with the audio. The playback automatically loops between the markers and leaves the loop by the pushing the footswitch. This would be a killer feature for us and we could replace our onstage DAW by a utrack24. As long as there is no solution for this problem, the utrack24 is useless for our live performance. If there is another (perhaps better) solution please tell me.

    #29110
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    Hi,

    The uTrack can do that but half automatically only. ūüôā
    Were you create the song in uTool you can pre-define markers which can be stored in the song.
    On the uTrack you need to load the song, in pause state push the “menu/loop” button on the front panel, use the skip back skip forward and the encoder to select the loop points, with the “play/pause” button you can start the playback. The playback starts only within the markers and it will be in loop until you push the “back” button on the front panel which will be remove the loop without interrupt the playback.

    Edit: I forgot to mention that the uTrack24 does not plays out midi timecodes, but you can include sysex as well controller changes in the midi file

    #29111
    ChristophChristoph
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    Hi Lazlo,
    thank you for your fast response. We want to start playing the first part of the song from the beginning. In the middle of the song there is a freestyle part (free solo, working with the audience etc. ) after some time the song should continue normal. During the freestyle part the click track should loop. Additionally it is preferable do this by using the footswitch only, since the utrack should remain in a siderack somewhere offstage. With your solution, we can only play the part in between the markers or am I missing something. If I understand the manual correctly we could set in and out markers during playback and loop one part of the song (first push -> define “in” marker, second push -> define “out” marker, third push -> remove markers and continue as normal). This is almost the solution we want, but the markers should be predefined and stored with the audio. So there is only one push needed for leaving the loop in time.

    #29113
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    There’s different ways to have markers.

    1. You can insert markers to the song during recording by push the skip back skip forward key. That’s not relevant for your setup.
    2. Uses markers and loop on the fly where you have no markers in the song but you want to set up the loop. This is the thing what you described. But that’s not enough good for live performance as the markers are inaccurate because you set up on the fly.
    3. Include the markers in the song: This can be done really precisely as you need to define the markers in uTool. This is the way how you should do it for your use case.

    You also need to know the loop function will loop all the song not just several tracks like the clicktrack.
    In your case you need to have a marker at the beginning of the song and one in the “middle”
    “With your solution, we can only play the part in between the markers or am I missing something.”
    With this until the loop exist it will loop the part between the markers and when you remove the loop the playback will continue (no matter where was the marker) and plays out the whole song.
    That’s true you cannot do that with footswitch but you can use uRemote to remote control the device, so the uTrack24 can be anywhere.

    #29115
    ChristophChristoph
    Participant

    Hi Laszlo,
    thank you for your support.

    You also need to know the loop function will loop all the song not just several tracks like the clicktrack.

    Of course this will be fine.

    In your case you need to have a marker at the beginning of the song and one in the “middle”
    With this until the loop exist it will loop the part between the markers and when you remove the loop the playback will continue (no matter where was the marker) and plays out the whole song.

    This is what I don’t get and assume there is a feature missing. The first part of the song is e.g. an intro where we want additional backing tracks than chorus and after the chorus, our singer introduces the band (at this time only clicktrack, one bar in loop, all other tracks contain silence), after some time we continue to play the song. I want to place the “in” marker after the chorus and the “out” marker one bar later. Since I only can setup the loop during pause state, I have to stop the song and define the loop. If the loop is at the beginning of the Song, your solution seems to work, but this is not what I’m looking for.

    That’s true you cannot do that with footswitch but you can use uRemote to remote control the device, so the uTrack24 can be anywhere.

    The footswitch control would be a really nice or a Midi Control option. But if it is only possible with uRemote, this is no showstoper. Perhaps a bluetooth pedal control for the uRemote is easy to implement. Moving the tiny markers out of the bar is not really a good solution during playing the guitar.

    #29116
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    [quote=”ceisner” post=3415]

    This is what I don’t get and assume there is a feature missing. The first part of the song is e.g. an intro where we want additional backing tracks than chorus and after the chorus, our singer introduces the band (at this time only clicktrack, one bar in loop, all other tracks contain silence), after some time we continue to play the song. I want to place the “in” marker after the chorus and the “out” marker one bar later. Since I only can setup the loop during pause state, I have to stop the song and define the loop. If the loop is at the beginning of the Song, your solution seems to work, but this is not what I’m looking for.

    [/quote]
    Well that’s not that easy. I mean you are able to set up the loop during playback as well pause state with no problem but what will be the problem if you have the click track before and in the loop as well in the moment where you set up the loop and start the loop playback the playback position jumps to the beginning of the loop and depend on when you click on the loop button it may jumps a little so the click track will be not in the same beat. So that’s not a solution for you I assume.

    [quote=”ceisner” post=3415]

    The footswitch control would be a really nice or a Midi Control option. But if it is only possible with uRemote, this is no showstoper. Perhaps a bluetooth pedal control for the uRemote is easy to implement. Moving the tiny markers out of the bar is not really a good solution during playing the guitar.

    [/quote]
    You don’t need to move markers. The screenshot what I sent you is that the uTool during song creation how to add and remove markers. On the uRemote or on the uTrack24 front panel you’ll able to exit from loop mode with one single button click.

    #29118
    ChristophChristoph
    Participant

    This is, what I supposed. We really need this feature and there was a feature request here 2 years ago. I put it uTrack suggestions & feature request. Perhaps it is possible to implement in an later release. My idea is, if there are two markers in a song, automatically loop in between these markers and leave the loop after pushing the footswitch.
    Perhaps you can discuss the idea…:whistle:
    If not, we have to choose a DAW software solution.
    Thank you for your time and suppport.
    Christoph

    #29120
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    Actually I like this idea, we will discuss that before next firmware release for sure.
    Thank you for your input

    #29316
    Emil WärmedalEmil Wärmedal
    Participant

    This feature would be awesome.
    We have a “workaround” on this subject.
    The way we are doing it is by splitting the song into 2 songs and do the interlude part by feel.
    So when the first part of the song stops, the next will have a “wait for key press”.
    By doing it this way no clicktrack provided during this part, but on the flip side you also have absolute freedome and no time boundaries.
    This works for us, but the again, that feature would be awesome and you could incorporate some backing tracks into the interlude.

    #41186
    Mike ParkMike Park
    Participant

    +1 on this feature request! Would make a big difference, this is the only way in which I see the loop feature realistically being used in a live situation. Predetermined markers anywhere in the song, and footswitch controlled to exit the loop.

    #54110
    Brandon PeoplesBrandon Peoples
    Participant

    Cymatic, please update on the status of this feature request. Is it something in development or not?

    #54664
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    Hi Brandon,

    Unfortunately we have no new development on this topic.
    I’m sorry for the bad news

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