9th October 2020 at 00:35 #119134
LP16 is to control a hardware sequencer. The sequencer should play the 32 tracks saved. For now, the LP only plays the midi track on channel 10. On track 10, it plays the notes there. The notes of track 10 are played on the remaining 31 tracks. After connecting, for example Yamaha AW 16, there is no problem (I press PLAY and they play 32 sequencer tracks as I wrote them) How can I make it sound the way I want?12th October 2020 at 18:31 #119799
hey, can anybody help me?! Thanks12th October 2020 at 19:13 #119809
Well Tomek, it sounds to me that you have a problem with your MIDI file.
LP16 does not alter the playback of the midifile in any way, so it just plays out what the MIDIfile contains. Nothing more, nothing less.
From your description, I assume you have exported the midifile from your AW16?
Did you load this file into a regular DAW to see what actually is in that midi file?
I would suggest you carefully verify your midifile in a computer sequencer or DAW to verify13th October 2020 at 16:42 #119902
Hi! Thank you very much for your interest in the topic. I will try to describe more precisely what I mean, let’s forget about any DAWs. Imagine there is a Recorder / Player (Yamaha Aw16 in my case). This recorder is a Master for a sequencer (Yamaha QY700 here). And now! It does not import a sparse midi file to the Recorder in order for the recorder to play the slave. Simply put, I hit Play on the AW16 and the Qy700 gets a “start” signal and plays back the MIDI events stored in the sequencer (the sequencer controls four sound modules, 32 tracks saved, each plays a different part). So in Master I turn on Play (all I do: set the tempo to that of the slave). As AW is not suitable for LIVE performances (long selection of more songs …), I want to use LP16, but …! After the usual combination of Lp and QY (Master-Slave), Lp does not make QY start (!). What I did? (you say that maybe the error is in the MIDI file itself? I do all the MIDI songs on QY 700, I don’t use DAW) Let’s say QY exported track 10 to LP, which usually has drums on it. And it’s OK! I’m playing a Song with track10 saved in the LP. Sequencer – The slave plays what it has to play! The problem is when I want the LP to trigger QY so that this Slave plays with more than one cloth, and that’s 10 cloths! Like I said, tripe 10 is playing correctly (MIdi events – sheet music, PC and more …) BUT! the rest of the trash does not play “his own”, but the event of trash10 (????). To sum up, let the LP16 – as a Player – play the recorded Audio tracks, and let the sequencer “play” everything MIDI, which will receive a signal to play (tempo, start, end etc …) from the Master: LP16. And here my head “shrinks” … I believe that YOU will find the answer!
I had a nice idea?13th October 2020 at 17:22 #119910
Thomas, it seems that your QY needs MIDI-START/STOP and Midiclock to function. LP16 does not support this and therefore your setup will not work.
But again, it seems to me you are making the setup more complicated than it needs to be.
If you would export the midi information from QY into a regular midi-file (or record it into a DAW and export it), the LP could import that midifile and you would have all the audio as well as all the MIDI playing in perfect sync from LP.13th October 2020 at 22:12 #119934
Cymadmin, thank you so much. If you still have some time and … patience …? You say it won’t play like I want it because QY needs Midi Start / Stop and Timer. But as I wrote: track No. 10 recorded in LP, MIDI starts on time and plays what it needs. In general, all tracks start on time (but the clock timer is inactive). Let me remind you that the problem is that, for example: all the notes saved on channel 10 play as I wrote, but the rest of the tracks play the note values from 10 (interesting: each track retains its PC, but the notes are shared with 10!). And also, the tracks are not all active “at once” (imagine a band, including drums, bass, guitar, synthesizer. They do not play here and now together creating a Score. They play each separately, when I point them, I activate them to play (as individual voices of the Score). I think the solution to the problem is … trivial. But what if I can’t deal with it. I just don’t want the LP to only control, for example, a drum machine from the position of the saved channel 10. Let the LP will be synchronized with an external sequencer (as Master) which will control everything else (synthesizers, samplers, sound modules, lights etc …) If not LP, what else for this setup? My Yamaha AW has it all, but .. In LP I create a play list and it plays it as I want In AW, first the cursor for the appropriate title, then commit, load to internal memory, confirm … It doesn’t work!
What do you think?18th October 2020 at 15:23 #120732
hop hop! is anybody out there?!Do not be asked18th October 2020 at 17:45 #120746
Please answer the question from Oct 12th:
– How was the midi file created? (QY save to disk?)
– did you try to load this smf into any computer sequencer to see what is in the midifile?
Once again, LP does NOT make ANY changes to midifile. It loads and plays midifiles ‘as is’. So if anything is wrong in your midi playback you have a 99,99% chance that the error is in your midi file itself.
For that reason, please load the midifile into any sequencing program or DAW on your computer and verify that the data is correctly there.20th October 2020 at 22:39 #121150
Once again, thank you very much for your answer and your time.
Sorry, but I’m not really following … “How was the MIDI file created?”: I only do this on the QY700. I do not use Ableton for this purpose (it is used to record audio that is triggered by sound modules. QY controls the modules). I have 32 cloths at my disposal – 16A and 16B. MIDI A and MIDI B are divided in half (3 Modules and a sampler). On these tracks I write MiDI messages (notes, tempo, PC modulation, PITCH Bend …). All this is a separate SONG (there are twenty songs). Created SONG, save to … floppy disk (!) As MIDI format 0, SONG SMF. I copy this data to MAC. The MIDI file with that song is now ready. In uTool I create a SONG from audio streams exported from Ableton – a multitrack session plus a midi track. Further on to LP16 – and … the midi does not “sound” properly. I just want the LP to initiate synchronized with the Audio START MIDI, but this MIDI has to be played via QY (there are all messages that will move the modules, samplers …). As I mentioned, this is the only thing I expected from any MASTER (it works with the AW16G or Ableton Live DAW recorder – in both I click “play”. They play recorded audio tracks (WAV) but everything that MIDI supports QY).
And now: I have uploaded MIDI files to LIVE, Audacity. I only see the lengths and pitches of the notes (but I’m sure I’m doing something wrong …?). I’m so proud that maybe each sequencer writes differently? From the outer Yamaha QY, the Lp will not play. With a DAW – whatever – will it play? but it makes no sense …! Damn, I guess that’s overwhelming for me ?! Importantly: the LP plays the MIDI file using e.g. BOSS DR202. Here, however, BOSS does not play alone (it has no MIDI data stored in it). Playing LP with BOSS. The LP “orders” Boss to play either way. So I have only one device connected to the LP. In my configuration (LP – QY: modules, samplers, synthesizers, lights … washing machines, dishwashers, and other refrigerators) the LP would play the recorded audio and drive a sequencer that would play other audio devices.
If you don’t have the strength for me anymore, I will shoot myself
Or maybe I could send you a MIDI file made on QY700?27th October 2020 at 21:35 #122180
AND SO…?28th October 2020 at 09:49 #122217
Tomek, please answer the following questions:
1) What do you want LP to do? >>> A: Play MIDI notes from a midi file or >>>B: Send or receive MIDI start/stop & clock messages to play in sync with hardware ?
– If A: Can Ableton read and playback the midi file from QY correctly? if YES, please export the MIDI from Ablton as midi 1 file and import into LP. This will work. Again, LP does NOT alter midi data in any way. In short; What goes in via the MIDI-file, is sent out. No changes whatsoever. For that reason, if MIDI problems occurr they are with 99.9% certainty IN THE MIDIFILE
If B: As I wrote before; LP does NOT support MIDI start/stop messages . So that is NOT going to work.
you can gladly send your midifile to my colleagues at firstname.lastname@example.org to verify, but I doubt that the problem is in there30th October 2020 at 01:08 #122609
Thank you very much once again.
I think it will be best if I send a sample project. Yes, rather plan B: I want cymatic to play audio and control QY so that this sequencer would control other midi devices. If LP16 can’t do it (yet ?!), maybe some system update? Or maybe I can replace LP with uTrack24 (provided that it meets my expectations)? Is there a device at all that can cope with this problem? I think that since all DAWs can, it must be the same hardware recorder / player for the stage, right?
Tomek30th October 2020 at 01:45 #122625
Tomek, sorry but neither LP or uTrack24 can work the way you are describing as neither will send MIDI clock or MIDI transport control commands.
recording smpte-code to one of the tracks and having external equipment syncing to that is a common practice, but the MIDI setup you are aiming for is not going to work.30th October 2020 at 13:25 #122743
Well. Is it a matter of software and maybe Cymatic is working on it, or is it a technical matter and nothing will come of it? Has no one created such a device yet?
My inaccurate Mid is working?30th October 2020 at 16:58 #122755
Or is there a device that would work between LP16 and QY700? Some MIDI Sync or something like that?
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