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  • #119134
    Tomek GajewskiTomek Gajewski
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    LP16 is to control a hardware sequencer. The sequencer should play the 32 tracks saved. For now, the LP only plays the midi track on channel 10. On track 10, it plays the notes there. The notes of track 10 are played on the remaining 31 tracks. After connecting, for example Yamaha AW 16, there is no problem (I press PLAY and they play 32 sequencer tracks as I wrote them) How can I make it sound the way I want?

    #119799
    Tomek GajewskiTomek Gajewski
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    hey, can anybody help me?! Thanks

    #119809
    CymadminCymadmin
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    Well Tomek, it sounds to me that you have a problem with your MIDI file.
    LP16 does not alter the playback of the midifile in any way, so it just plays out what the MIDIfile contains. Nothing more, nothing less.
    From your description, I assume you have exported the midifile from your AW16?
    Did you load this file into a regular DAW to see what actually is in that midi file?

    I would suggest you carefully verify your midifile in a computer sequencer or DAW to verify

    #119902
    Tomek GajewskiTomek Gajewski
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    Hi! Thank you very much for your interest in the topic. I will try to describe more precisely what I mean, let’s forget about any DAWs. Imagine there is a Recorder / Player (Yamaha Aw16 in my case). This recorder is a Master for a sequencer (Yamaha QY700 here). And now! It does not import a sparse midi file to the Recorder in order for the recorder to play the slave. Simply put, I hit Play on the AW16 and the Qy700 gets a “start” signal and plays back the MIDI events stored in the sequencer (the sequencer controls four sound modules, 32 tracks saved, each plays a different part). So in Master I turn on Play (all I do: set the tempo to that of the slave). As AW is not suitable for LIVE performances (long selection of more songs …), I want to use LP16, but …! After the usual combination of Lp and QY (Master-Slave), Lp does not make QY start (!). What I did? (you say that maybe the error is in the MIDI file itself? I do all the MIDI songs on QY 700, I don’t use DAW) Let’s say QY exported track 10 to LP, which usually has drums on it. And it’s OK! I’m playing a Song with track10 saved in the LP. Sequencer – The slave plays what it has to play! The problem is when I want the LP to trigger QY so that this Slave plays with more than one cloth, and that’s 10 cloths! Like I said, tripe 10 is playing correctly (MIdi events – sheet music, PC and more …) BUT! the rest of the trash does not play “his own”, but the event of trash10 (????). To sum up, let the LP16 – as a Player – play the recorded Audio tracks, and let the sequencer “play” everything MIDI, which will receive a signal to play (tempo, start, end etc …) from the Master: LP16. And here my head “shrinks” … I believe that YOU will find the answer!
    I had a nice idea?

    #119910
    CymadminCymadmin
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    Thomas, it seems that your QY needs MIDI-START/STOP and Midiclock to function. LP16 does not support this and therefore your setup will not work.

    But again, it seems to me you are making the setup more complicated than it needs to be.
    If you would export the midi information from QY into a regular midi-file (or record it into a DAW and export it), the LP could import that midifile and you would have all the audio as well as all the MIDI playing in perfect sync from LP.

    #119934
    Tomek GajewskiTomek Gajewski
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    Cymadmin, thank you so much. If you still have some time and … patience …? You say it won’t play like I want it because QY needs Midi Start / Stop and Timer. But as I wrote: track No. 10 recorded in LP, MIDI starts on time and plays what it needs. In general, all tracks start on time (but the clock timer is inactive). Let me remind you that the problem is that, for example: all the notes saved on channel 10 play as I wrote, but the rest of the tracks play the note values ​​from 10 (interesting: each track retains its PC, but the notes are shared with 10!). And also, the tracks are not all active “at once” (imagine a band, including drums, bass, guitar, synthesizer. They do not play here and now together creating a Score. They play each separately, when I point them, I activate them to play (as individual voices of the Score). I think the solution to the problem is … trivial. But what if I can’t deal with it. I just don’t want the LP to only control, for example, a drum machine from the position of the saved channel 10. Let the LP will be synchronized with an external sequencer (as Master) which will control everything else (synthesizers, samplers, sound modules, lights etc …) If not LP, what else for this setup? My Yamaha AW has it all, but .. In LP I create a play list and it plays it as I want In AW, first the cursor for the appropriate title, then commit, load to internal memory, confirm … It doesn’t work!
    What do you think?

    #120732
    Tomek GajewskiTomek Gajewski
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    hop hop! is anybody out there?!Do not be asked

    #120746
    CymadminCymadmin
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    Thomek,
    Please answer the question from Oct 12th:
    – How was the midi file created? (QY save to disk?)
    – did you try to load this smf into any computer sequencer to see what is in the midifile?

    Once again, LP does NOT make ANY changes to midifile. It loads and plays midifiles ‘as is’. So if anything is wrong in your midi playback you have a 99,99% chance that the error is in your midi file itself.

    For that reason, please load the midifile into any sequencing program or DAW on your computer and verify that the data is correctly there.

    #121150
    Tomek GajewskiTomek Gajewski
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    Welcome, welcome
    Once again, thank you very much for your answer and your time.
    Sorry, but I’m not really following … “How was the MIDI file created?”: I only do this on the QY700. I do not use Ableton for this purpose (it is used to record audio that is triggered by sound modules. QY controls the modules). I have 32 cloths at my disposal – 16A and 16B. MIDI A and MIDI B are divided in half (3 Modules and a sampler). On these tracks I write MiDI messages (notes, tempo, PC modulation, PITCH Bend …). All this is a separate SONG (there are twenty songs). Created SONG, save to … floppy disk (!) As MIDI format 0, SONG SMF. I copy this data to MAC. The MIDI file with that song is now ready. In uTool I create a SONG from audio streams exported from Ableton – a multitrack session plus a midi track. Further on to LP16 – and … the midi does not “sound” properly. I just want the LP to initiate synchronized with the Audio START MIDI, but this MIDI has to be played via QY (there are all messages that will move the modules, samplers …). As I mentioned, this is the only thing I expected from any MASTER (it works with the AW16G or Ableton Live DAW recorder – in both I click “play”. They play recorded audio tracks (WAV) but everything that MIDI supports QY).
    And now: I have uploaded MIDI files to LIVE, Audacity. I only see the lengths and pitches of the notes (but I’m sure I’m doing something wrong …?). I’m so proud that maybe each sequencer writes differently? From the outer Yamaha QY, the Lp will not play. With a DAW – whatever – will it play? but it makes no sense …! Damn, I guess that’s overwhelming for me ?! Importantly: the LP plays the MIDI file using e.g. BOSS DR202. Here, however, BOSS does not play alone (it has no MIDI data stored in it). Playing LP with BOSS. The LP “orders” Boss to play either way. So I have only one device connected to the LP. In my configuration (LP – QY: modules, samplers, synthesizers, lights … washing machines, dishwashers, and other refrigerators) the LP would play the recorded audio and drive a sequencer that would play other audio devices.
    If you don’t have the strength for me anymore, I will shoot myself
    Cordiality. Tomek
    Or maybe I could send you a MIDI file made on QY700?

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