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  • #29447
    LeoLeo
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    Hello! I’m using ableton for playback. There’s a midi track with midi clips. If you are familiar with ableton, you probably know that “program change” is kind of a “property” of the midi clip – you do not draw the automation, you just set the number in clip launch properties and it automatically sends PrgChng whenever this clip is launched.
    So my first question is, how should I export midifile so that it sends program change commands?

    The 2nd one is about midifile duration. When I export midi from ableton everything is so to say snapped to a grid. So if I import it into a project with another bpm, this file snaps to this project’s grid. So how on Earth LP-16 determines the duration of a midifile? Especially if there is only one slow cc automation.
    BTW I just loaded midifile from the 3-minute long song into uTool and it shows the duration of 6+minutes

    ps. Yes< i searched in this forum, and found the same question posted 2 years ago, but there was no reply.

    #29449
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    [quote=”Nestleo” post=3734]
    BTW I just loaded midifile from the 3-minute long song into uTool and it shows the duration of 6+minutes
    [/quote]

    If you are simply drag and drop that midi file to Windows media player (win); MIDI Player – Modify music (OSX) what is the duration of the file? 3 or 6 minutes?

    #29454
    LeoLeo
    Participant

    it shows 6:43

    #29455
    LeoLeo
    Participant

    it shows the duration of 6:43

    #29457
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    Thank you for your feedback

    So this means the uTool shows the same time like any other application on your computer. I assume the midi file has empty data at the end, or not exported properly.
    I think better to ask a question on the Ableton forum.

    #29458
    LeoLeo
    Participant

    [quote=”Laszlo” post=3744]Thank you for your feedback

    So this means the uTool shows the same time like any other application on your computer. I assume the midi file has empty data at the end, or not exported properly.
    I think better to ask a question on the Ableton forum.[/quote]
    Thank you! It is already something at least. If you know any way to do that, that would be helpful. I just asked different DAW users – noone knows

    #29459
    LeoLeo
    Participant

    And yes, if you make it possible to set the tempo (and midi syncronization) in further firmware updates – that will make the device absolutely priceless!!

    #29460
    LeoLeo
    Participant

    BTW here’s what i’ve found
    Windows OS has internal “tempo” equal to 100bpm, so if uTool shows the same duration, that means LP-16 also has internal tempo 100bpm?
    So one thing left to do is to find the way to translate midi clips so that events inside it happen like if tempo is 100bpm

    ps. Im pretty sure I export everything correctly, because I crop clips (so that what is shown on timeline is what’s inside actual midi clip, there’s nothing you can drag to the right or left out of it) And there’s just “export midifile” button available

    #29461
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    [quote=”Nestleo” post=3746]And yes, if you make it possible to set the tempo (and midi syncronization) in further firmware updates – that will make the device absolutely priceless!![/quote]

    The midi tempo have to be set where you create and export the song. The device use the midi file as created and exported.

    #29462
    LeoLeo
    Participant

    [quote=”Laszlo” post=3748]
    The midi tempo have to be set where you create and export the song. The device use the midi file as created and exported.[/quote]

    I really appreciate your help, but no, that doesn’t work. I am advanced ableton user, I tried ableton live, cubase, reaper with pro users’ assistance – no progress. And if I seem annoying, I’m sorry.
    Why wouldn’t you make a video tutorial on this subject? Or write step-by-step explaination. For example, in the daw where you checked this working.
    Something like this [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pIITCRsCj4&t=1s[/video]

    #29463
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    Hi,

    I’m sorry but your request to create tutorial for every single DAW is out of our scope. I would agree with you if the uTool or the player device does not detect the song properly. But in your case the midi file shows the same length in other applications like Windows media player as well in uTool which means somehow the midi file more than 6 minutes long.
    If you send me a midi file I can take a look but unforutnately I cannot tell you how to create and export the file.

    #29464
    LeoLeo
    Participant

    in the video attached they don’t show all the DAWs, just any for mac and any for windows, just basic principle.

    here’s the midi file. 192 bpm snapped to grid is 4.12 long
    midi file

    #29465
    LeoLeo
    Participant

    And please, don’t get me wrong, I just want to solve the problem that I’m not first to face and not the last and wich is not described in user’s guide

    #29467
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    Thank you for your feedback.
    As I see correctly the file more than 6 minutes long. I assume you do not export properly. As you can see other DAW like Cubase also show the same length like uTool.

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    #29469
    Laszlo .Laszlo
    Keymaster

    I have changed the tempo to 192 in cubase and I click on the export midi option.
    Could you please check the file?

    [quote=”Nestleo” post=3752]And please, don’t get me wrong, I just want to solve the problem that I’m not first to face and not the last and wich is not described in user’s guide[/quote]
    There’s nothing to do with the user guide we take the file as it exported from the DAW if the file do not have the proper tempo inside that should be described in the Ableton user guide how to export the file with proper tempo.

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